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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Apr 17, 2007 5:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?

I read someone's comment on another board- discussing shakedown, this cat, who I respect, said he felt that there was never a truly grand shakedown played- though some came close. This song was played about 250 times- In my opinion there were perhaps half a dozen that stood out from the rest-

When you compare that percentage to say scarlet-fire or china rider- or even Let it Grow- it is very small- that is if you buy into the premise. I do.

Perhaps it was an identity crisis? DId the song feel it was best in the 2nd set or the first set? Can you think of any other 12-15 minute song that spent so much time in both sets? Is it because the song was too much refrain and not enough jam? Most shakedowns at most have 5-6 minutes of jamming.

Maybe I am totally off the mark- but I listened to one the other night that some consider in the top ten- 12-31-84- and it did very little for me-

What are your thoughts? Examples (avoid 6-30-85, 12-31-81, 11-24-78, 4-6-82).

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 17, 2007 7:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?

5/16/81 is pretty legendary.

I'll tell you one thing - having been living in the Bay Area during the 89 quake - when they did that one night earthquake benefit show ( me and my buddy highflow mindmelded that night but didn't realize it for 17 years ) on 12/6/89 everyone KNEW they'd open with Shakedown. HAD to, no other choice. And it had special meaning.

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Poster: NY_Dread Date: Apr 17, 2007 11:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?

Sorry to interupt the music discussion but I have a favor to ask. My name is Darrell Chambers I work at a television production company in N.Y. We are currently developing a travel/reality show about Mickey Hart. I know when you see reality show you are ready to scream, but it's more off a travel show. The first season will follow the route of the 83 tour. We need stories,maps and PICTURES if possible. We would also like some sort off demographic survey of Deadheads,(sorry, Just doing my job.)at first it may seem easy but the Dead have been around for thirty years and there fan base HAS changed. We don't want to be intrusive just any info you think might be help full. Also we would like to know who you would like Mickey to travel with. My fav's are Sarah Silverman, Bill Walton and Jenean Gurofalo. Send me a email at Dkennethchambers@gmail.com Peace and Love. Jah Rastafari

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Poster: Street Pig Date: Apr 18, 2007 3:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?

He still travels with Jer

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Poster: Street Pig Date: Apr 18, 2007 3:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?

He still travels with Jer

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Apr 18, 2007 11:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?

honestly, I don't know antone who would like to travel with jeanne Garofallo.

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Poster: buscameby Date: Apr 18, 2007 9:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?

Gotta say that every one I saw at Red Rocks seemed to wanna shake those old rocks down to the ground,
I saw the first one ever played and I will never forget the last one they played there.

Check out the 8-31-78 and the 9-7-85. The 6-14-84 is a eye opener too, at the Rocks you always knew it was a big second set when the Fat man opened with Disco Dead!

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Poster: TheGreat_and_Knowledgable Date: Apr 18, 2007 1:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?

DP 5 has a killer shakedown. 1979/12/26

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Apr 17, 2007 10:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?

One last thing...I think this tune suffered as a first set opener when they hit a new town. Getting the sound right, acoustics, ect. many times I saw it as an opener or heard versions where they are basically using it as a sound check. So I say second set so the cobwebs are gone

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Poster: JodyC Date: Apr 17, 2007 7:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?

I've been Jones'n for a Shakedown for a little while. Thanks. (And this is why I enjoy the forum-no matter the bullshit and whatever!)

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Poster: tree-ap Date: Apr 18, 2007 6:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?

I have to agree with many of the posters here that are coming up with shows from '80 & '81. It seems that the song may have hit it's stride around this time. I have a tape---one that I know is NOT the date it says it is--from the Rainbow Theatre in the UK in '81. My tape is listed as being from the shows here in March of '81. The Shakedown on my tape starts out a verse into the song & Jerry is not very prominent---but Brent is. Despite Jerry's playing being so low in the mix, this version's jamming comes through enough for you to recognize it's quality. The set list up until Women Are Smarter is all I have of it, but what's there is quite good. The LLR is is good as well---my wife's favorite. Althea is something else that's well worth the listen also. I have to preface this & say that I have NOT heard this particular source so I cannot comment on it's quality. Some of the reviews mention the hiss that's present, but I wouldn't let that stop me from listening to it. ENJOY!!!

http://www.archive.org/details/gd81-10-06.sbd.polgar.3303.sbefail.shnf

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Poster: Driftin N Dreamin Date: Apr 17, 2007 8:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?

Liam
there are many stellar Shakedowns (IMO)
Check out these 3 from 1981, especially 7-14, the slowest funkiest version I know of.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd81-12-31.sbd.bertha-ashley.12784.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd81-07-14.aud.munder.9794.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd81-09-12.aud.wise.25317.shnf



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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Apr 18, 2007 10:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?

Yes- there are up to a dozen stellar Shakedowns- but what I am saying- and I address this to my friend who said it depends on how I define my terms-

What I am saying is there are no Shakedowns I can point to that poked a hole in the heaven's- that swirled in the cosmos as primordial sound waves- that redefined me- these things have happened with Dark Star, The Other One, Scarlet-Fire, China-Rider, Playin, and Birdsong.

Maybe SHakedown is too much of this world in the way it was composed and written. There are many very good shakedowns- but I am waiting to here one that take me out on a spaceship and abducts my mind....

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Apr 18, 2007 10:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?

Yep, I get what you mean...but Shake is tough for that b/c it feels more like a funk, dance tune than a transporting, spiritual, spacey kind of tune that can really dazzle the mind &soul.

Shake can dazzle, but in an entirely different kind of way.

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Poster: Yankee9 Date: Apr 17, 2007 10:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?

wow, you are so right about that 7/14 Shakedown. It's like none other!!!!! We need a soundboard of this show to surface :)

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Apr 18, 2007 2:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?

Depends on definition of outstanding and otherworldly, Liam, but I would say there are many Shakedowns that fit the bill.

As pointed out already 10-25-79 is a mindblower...

and I would add two others--10/31/79 and my own personal favorite: 1-10-79, which I consider otherworldly b/c of the subtle but truly amazing snaky guitar lines Garcia plays "underneath" everyone else during the instrumental jam section prior to the reprise coda...if you "isolate" his guitar in your ears and listen to what he's doing--he NEVER STOPS THE MUSICAL TRAIN of this particular line...it is just incredible, and one of the many reasons Jerry still inspires to this day.

p.s. People tell me the Shake from Merriweather 1985 is the greatest ever, but like your take on 12-31-84, it doesn't appeal to me as it does many others.

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Poster: high flow Date: Apr 17, 2007 5:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?



Hi Liam - Check-out this thread and the accompanying link.

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=98079

http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-12-05.sbd.pset2.ladner.9359.sbeok.shnf

Good stuff. I love Shakedown, have yet to find the best...

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Poster: JodyC Date: Apr 17, 2007 7:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?

And an opener no less! We could use a little more love on every street these days.

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Poster: JodyC Date: Apr 17, 2007 8:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?

Actually not the opener as the link would have led me to believe. Great Shakedown nonetheless.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Apr 17, 2007 9:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?

alligator alley 1980. Great version plus the novelty of a segue into franklin's.

Someone on the review potion of the site said Shakedown goes as Weir goes. he drives the tune. I think that's accurate.

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Poster: Street Pig Date: Apr 17, 2007 7:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?

This is a review of 1.17.79
Reviewer: Street Pig - - July 7, 2005
Subject: 11.25 Cancellation

I remember the lights were off, we we were "on" and Bobby & Mickey coming out with the news of Jer on the respirator, i cannot recall a single boo nor anything said negative whatsoever, alot of "Man I hope Jer will be allright" We went up to a bar on the corner and listen to an impromtu elvis impersonator while we slammed down Balantine XXX Ale. The make-up show started with a Shakedown which was a "I told ya I'll be back" reassurance for us Jersey Freaks, this and the Springfield 1-15th were great times



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Poster: JamminJerome Date: Apr 17, 2007 6:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?

10/25/79...my favorite

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Apr 17, 2007 7:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why so few truly outstanding, other worldy Shakedowns?

Thanks for reminding me, got the show blasting as we speak. Yet another Fall 79 monster. Whole damn show smokes. Good call.

Antoher smokin' Shakedown? 3/13/81 is a personal fave.

This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2007-04-18 02:16:06